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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Release id #13225 : Microloops
Afaik there was also a Microloops II and III, but I can't seem to find a trace of it on the net. Anyone have it and would like to add it? |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
It was CMP's intention to never let it surface here, but on the other hand - there was some time since those two was released. I shall see if I can locate them. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Well, the tunes are in HVSC anyway, so why not also add them here. Thanks 2F. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 252 |
Both Microloops II and III are uploaded at Antidote by the author CMP. Antidote is reachable at antidote.hopto.org, either by using CGTerm as an emu or through the CCGMS-clone GuruTerm, working under RRnet, on the real deal. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Hey hey hey, it's a new kind of elitism: "my warez are too good for csdb, the masses don't deserve them!" |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Well, I would not be surprised if such a movement actually would arise. At CSDb or C64.sk, only the newest stuff seems to get any notice. A good demo, released at the wrong time in the warezflow can easily dissapear without almost noone noticing, pushed out of the last fifty releases by cracks from Crypt, a new game from Richard, re-releases of the Crypt-cracks with HEMA+Urine intros ontop of them or just some random tunes with uninspired players. Or why not a new quantizer for converting PC images to strange interlaced C64-formats? Heck, just since the last release of NSR, I bet I can pick out atleast five such demos.
I believe CMP's intention was to let people discover his two music-collections through the channels he chose to distribute them through. If you want to listen to the music, it is readily available through HVSC, as mentioned earlier. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 252 |
Some elitism can be healthy :-)
(and it is not that Taper is THAT hard in giving out access to his board) |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
If you want to govern csdb by stupid politics, elitism is just what we need. Bring out the flags! |
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Jon
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
Quote: If you want to govern csdb by stupid politics, elitism is just what we need. Bring out the flags!
If we want..? The CSDB IS governed by stupid politics, elitism and cliqueism of the worst sort. it's like watching twenty grown men playing "king of the hill" on an ant mound.
I've learned to live with it and love it. You should too. ;)
-Ninj
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
I am living with it, that's for sure ;).. And I do not disagree in the CSDb mechanisms as they are. I like it a lot here, and am merely stating my view on the subject of elitism of releases. I do not think that some releases are more valid than others, just because the majority of the "kings of the hill" as you so nicely put it, think so. I believe that there should be room here for everybody - expirienced or not, elite or not. I enjoy these small graphics or music or basic or whatever productions that are released that show peoples creativity. I even enjoy the way commenting works - even though harshness and elitism is expressed heavily in those. Don't presume that I cannot live with it, accept the fact that I, as you, use my right to express my thoughts - and be assured that I respect what other people write here, even though I might disagree. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Well, I would not be surprised if such a movement actually would arise. At CSDb or C64.sk, only the newest stuff seems to get any notice. A good demo, released at the wrong time in the warezflow can easily dissapear without almost noone noticing, pushed out of the last fifty releases by cracks from Crypt, a new game from Richard, re-releases of the Crypt-cracks with HEMA+Urine intros ontop of them or just some random tunes with uninspired players. Or why not a new quantizer for converting PC images to strange interlaced C64-formats? Heck, just since the last release of NSR, I bet I can pick out atleast five such demos.
I believe CMP's intention was to let people discover his two music-collections through the channels he chose to distribute them through. If you want to listen to the music, it is readily available through HVSC, as mentioned earlier.
It's called supply and demand.. there is so low ammount of good releases lately that editing of current general news isn't that tight. If there was 100-200 news a month there would be a demand to differentiate between them. If we have 1-3 news per day and 1 good release a week, I really wonder how can anyone miss anything. Also there are other things like latest downloads, comments, forums, even disk magazines where anyone can bring interest to valuable release. As far as Richard, Crypt, HEMA+Urina are concerned, who is responsible that their stuff is so prominent? Not sites like c64.sk or CSDB. I can decide to block WDR, or crackers of today's games, but I can't disallow someone who actually *does* something to have his 5 minutes of fame. Especially because he is one click away from adding of the news and learned to use that function for his own good. Everyone who complaints should start to sweep around his place and do something.
Purpose of c64.sk is to give creative scener a way to spread his stuff and eventually give others one place where to look for new stuff and other kind of more-or-less strictly c64 scene related things. It's face is shaped according to how scene behaves. If we are lazy, the c64 news will have more news about things that aren't directly connected to creative c64 scene.
As for CMP chosing other channels to spread his stuff. I don't know what was behind his decision, but I'm not against it. If it eventually hits the "internet" as something fresh it will sooner or later get into news and scene database anyway. If someone *puts it there*, that is, because CSDB and C64.sk are open sites.. anyone can add stuff. In case of c64.sk you don't even have to get your account, you're just one click away from around 700 unique visitors a day. I'm sure that at least 51% of of them are desperately looking for some new fresh art to check ;-)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
somehow this reminds me of that stupid "we spread it via mail and don't upload" attitude that arised some years back. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Quite odd to limit your audience like that, but ok, if he intends to spread it in the "real undergound" only, so be it.
Question is, if someone adds it here, would CMP come over and delete it? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Also, I don't get the logic: "if I put it on csdb it will be lost amidst all the other releases and almost nobody will download it so instead I put it out in a way that even less people will download it!" :Z |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1060 |
So how about adding a feed to the front page with the five top rated releases from the last 30 days (or whatever)?
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
No, i'm quite assured that his intentions was to cherish the usage of Antidote and C64 BBS's in general. While The Studio still was one of the two last available dial-up BBS'es, CMP was one of the more active users up to the bitter end. And since you very seldom see him around here, I doubt he would delete the entry. I doubt he would delete it anyway. |
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T.M.R
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
It's one thing to support mailtrading, the boards or whatever by holding back the upping of releases to sites like CSDb, but it's like others have said; not distributing via these sites is, essentially, cutting your nose off to spite your face. Not everyone wants to use Antidote (i don't, i have close to zero history with boards and the only modem my C64 has ever had is a Compunet one) so by removing those people from the potential audience which, lets face it, is small to start with is pretty ridiculous... |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I have the perfect solution: we enter the information in csdb (because we *know* these productions exist) and if the files are uploaded, so be it. After all: the one responsible may claim it's his work, but the knowledge about it is public. So even if he wanted to delete the entries, he would have no right to do so.
I love it when a plan comes together. |
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T.M.R
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
There's even a way to add a reason for the lack of a file to the site now so that'd work nicely. =-) Anyone know what else is missing...? |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 252 |
What CMP could have done, and what still can be done of course, is to publish a post on .sk saying that two musicpacks from him are out, and that they are downloadable from Antidote. Cause I reckon there is not some sort of holy alliance between .sk and CSDb.
As far as I am concerned I couldn't be bothered less. Information wants to be free and all that (and I dig CSDb, and do not really understand the major problems some have with it). Though I fully believe it was a consent decision of CMP to put it out on Antidote in order to make ppl support the board (rather than in anger towards this place). I would also fully support the official releases of the different crews to be put up on their WHQ at first, in order to make it trickle down to the other sites in due course. Just for phun. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
How about also spreading his cg graphics? He's been posting loads of beautiful and original pieces on antidote, some of the best petscii art I've ever seen.
Since you guys are so keen on getting cmp's work out to the public, why not put together a graphics collection? Or do you prefer just to sit around and speculate about him, his motives and supposed elitism? |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 109 |
I also wanted to have his prods in the CSDb. So I read all the postings over and gave it a try: I asked CMP with an E-Mail, about releasing all his prods at CSDb. Now lets wait for his comment and then, maybe *tada* he or me is completing the Microloops-Trilogy.
Hasn't anybody else tried to contact him? I just wondered.
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 933 |
Quote: I also wanted to have his prods in the CSDb. So I read all the postings over and gave it a try: I asked CMP with an E-Mail, about releasing all his prods at CSDb. Now lets wait for his comment and then, maybe *tada* he or me is completing the Microloops-Trilogy.
Hasn't anybody else tried to contact him? I just wondered.
Well all 3 of them are listed on my FTP site since a
while, just use pokefinder more ;)
ftp://ftp.scs-trc.net/pub/c64/Demos/pal/persons/CMP
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 252 |
There, as I said. These are the very foundations of the scene.
And Niels does it friggin' good aswell :) |
