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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2854 |
SID originals that are actually covers
This kind of information is (usually, but not always) included with STIL, but anyways, does not seem to be common knowledge here and there.
Personally, i was a bit surprised to learn about:
Zoids - Synergy - Ancestors
International Karate - Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence
Turrican Title Theme - Transformers (1986) - Escape (and the end tune, too)
Lazy Jones - Star Dust - Electronic Ensemble - It Happened Then
What else is notable, from the top of your heads? =) |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 38 |
Probably not that big of a surprise to many, but for a very long time I wasn't aware that The Legendary Commando was originally composed for the NES and Arcade by Tamayo Kawamoto.
But perhaps this version of The Great Gianna Sisters Intro is somewhat less known.
Every Jarre tune is used in at least a couple of games I guess? But let's get the biggest classic out of the way: Bomb Jack |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: Probably not that big of a surprise to many, but for a very long time I wasn't aware that The Legendary Commando was originally composed for the NES and Arcade by Tamayo Kawamoto.
But perhaps this version of The Great Gianna Sisters Intro is somewhat less known.
Every Jarre tune is used in at least a couple of games I guess? But let's get the biggest classic out of the way: Bomb Jack
Regarding Giana Sisters I am sure it's just a coincidence. That Tangerine Dream arp is a very simple rather typical Berlin School minor line - there are only 12 notes to choose from, after all ;)
Speaking of Tangerine Dream, Last Ninja II subtune10 covers a track from "White Eagle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfjJ_qcBQ9A |
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Stone
Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 170 |
Subtune #2 from Space Moguls OST is a cover from The Last Of The Mohicans soundtrack. This is not noted in STIL.txt yet.
Space Moguls Story Trevor Jones - Fort Battle |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 835 |
Quote:Every Jarre tune is used in at least a couple of games I guess?
Yep, one example (which was a surprise to me much later) was Loco by Ben Daglish https://www.lemon64.com/game/loco
turned out to be Equinoxe part 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO7--KBgpAQ |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 835 |
Also (onto demos now), Sweet Infection by Arise... the first tune by Randall (Hate Bush) I always expected to be original... then later he gave me a CD mix of Polish songs ranging from 70s to early 2010s, one track in particular (I think from late 90s or early 2000s) I immediately caught it's similarities to a particular part of the SID tune. It's titled in Polish of course so I can't remember what it's called. :) He may be able to help you here. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Just dropping this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLYXZTLzBD4
:) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
Quote: Subtune #2 from Space Moguls OST is a cover from The Last Of The Mohicans soundtrack. This is not noted in STIL.txt yet.
Space Moguls Story Trevor Jones - Fort Battle
Good to know, added |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 229 |
One Man And His Droid
Fist II |
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Trash
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
One of the best ripoffs ever:
Delta in game music - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0wOOlwXLgA |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 330 |
What an interesting thread! :)
I am surprised! :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
The original Composer of "It happened then" has commented that "Stardust" from Lazy Jones is NOT a cover of it, btw (and its 4 Notes that are similar...) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2083 |
Talking about stuff not in STIL yet, maybe it's just me and maybe too vague, but I always found Ghosts 'n Goblins (ingame music at around 00:30, about the time you normally kill the first sub boss within level 1, that fire-spitting flying screaming thingie before taking the first ferry) was heavily stealing bass line and also otherwise somewhat similar to
Cyndi Lauper's She-Bop
PS: Talking about Cyndi Lauper, her offical Goonie's song Goonies 'R' Good Enough was so massacred beyond recognition by Fitzpatrick in the C64 Goonies Game that Cyndi herself would not recognize it I guess |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2854 |
Quoting chatGPZThe original Composer of "It happened then" has commented that "Stardust" from Lazy Jones is NOT a cover of it, btw (and its 4 Notes that are similar...) Yes, well, that one is up to everybody to decide for themselves. =) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2854 |
Quoting TheRykTalking about stuff not in STIL yet, maybe it's just me and maybe too vague, but I always found Ghosts 'n Goblins (ingame music at around 00:30, about the time you normally kill the first sub boss within level 1, that fire-spitting flying screaming thingie before taking the first ferry) was heavily stealing bass line and also otherwise somewhat similar to
Cyndi Lauper's She-Bop I see what you mean. Seems to be straddling the line just like LazyJonesStarDust vs ElectronicEnsembleItHappenedThen. =) "Heavily inspired by" rather than straight off cover? :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
That kind of similarities happen (and not seldom) even without knowing the other tune :) Its not a "cover" because its similar for a few notes.
(edit: eg there are similar parts in good old "Just the two of us" and the modfile Timbaland "covered". It happens :)) |
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Street Tuff
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 88 |
listen to koyaanisquatsi by philip glass ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3q7bT0v9IE
it will hit you in the first 1:30 minutes |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: listen to koyaanisquatsi by philip glass ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3q7bT0v9IE
it will hit you in the first 1:30 minutes
Hubbard's version is a proof of saying by Stravinski: “A good composer does not imitate; he steals.” |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
Wasnt it Dali? :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Wasnt it Dali? :)
Dali has his own variation. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
Did he steal it? :) |
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Punisher
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 34 |
The Vikings (Ben Daglish) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXy_y_Bx9Q&ab_channel=Myrryspe..
Labyrinth - @ 1:40 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b26XwSRQQXU&ab_channel=Voyage |
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icon
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 89 |
To soon for trolling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asy6Cpbtwfs&ab_channel=NellyFur..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amXNbaRtLpQ&ab_channel=BrevinEr.. |
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jab
Registered: Apr 2020
Posts: 10 |
Hubbard's The Master of Magic is similar to Synergy - Shibolet |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: To soon for trolling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asy6Cpbtwfs&ab_channel=NellyFur..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amXNbaRtLpQ&ab_channel=BrevinEr..
The samples were flipped from this one though https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Galle..
STILL:
TITLE: Acidjazzed Evening [from the Amiga MOD module]
ARTIST: Janne Suni (Tempest)
COMMENT: American producer and hip hop artist Timbaland (Timothy Z. Mosley) allegedly plagiarized parts of GRG's version of 'Acidjazzed Evening' for use in the song "Do It" on the 2006 album Loose by Nelly Furtado. This eventually led to a large controversy where lawyers for both GRG and Janne Suni became involved.
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The result: Tempest was allegedly compensated off-court (quote from wikipedia: "The copyright dispute was eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.[2]"). GRG 's claim failed and he got nothing. C64.sk had 3 minutes of fame and backlink from wikipedia. And I had a bitter taste in mu mouth ever since... naaaaah, it's an old story. I don't care anymore... ... or do I?
Recap on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbaland_plagiarism_controversy |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 835 |
While the thread is slightly offtopic...
AMJ - Blasphemy https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/A/AMJ/Blasphemy.s..
Used in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojBxTg6Z-g
More info on the release: Blasphemy
Ok, now stick the topic title (SID takes music, not music takes SID ;)) |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 38 |
Quoting LinusRegarding Giana Sisters I am sure it's just a coincidence. That Tangerine Dream arp is a very simple rather typical Berlin School minor line - there are only 12 notes to choose from, after all ;)
Mmmmm sure, but Chris Hülsbeck has made some floaty arpy stuff and said Tangerine Dream are his heroes on Facebook (NOT talking about Giana or anything)... I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and obviously it's far from "a cover" but still, I think there could be something more to it than just total coincidence. |
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zenda
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 22 |
WE M.U.S.I.C 3 #11 is actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSkYpzikcdM
and a lot more here:
https://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=14&topicid=51116#82720 |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quoting CreaMDallegedly plagiarized parts of GRG's version of 'Acidjazzed Evening'
allegedly? wtf? that needs to be fixed. It was proven that he stole from GRG's SID. there's nothing "alleged" about it. |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 229 |
A whole other question that comes up with this is, if now someone made a C64 tune cover and the original is actually already a cover, but unbeknownst to the person who releases a C64 cover as music on the internet, or even perform it live without crediting the original composer and thus even "forgetting" to inform certain music rights management societies like GEMA or TEOSTO.
Let's just hope it will stay a well kept secret. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Quoting CreaMDallegedly plagiarized parts of GRG's version of 'Acidjazzed Evening'
allegedly? wtf? that needs to be fixed. It was proven that he stole from GRG's SID. there's nothing "alleged" about it.
In dumb layman terms (and let's hope I'm not confusing things too much), GRG's case was thrown out of US court because his music wasn't registered for copyright. Anyway this is offtopic here. So better start a new thread if you want to continue discussing it. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2083 |
@ "Covering" without even knowing / "heavily inspired by" (consciously or not)
Sure there's alway the problem that J.S. Bach, Mozart or The Beatles might have used a sequence of notes before you come up with it though you never listened to their tune ;)
Or some musician has listened to a song on the radio, forgets about it and in the evening isn't aware where the melody in his mind comes from - where does inspiration end and theft start, indeed frquently a matter for the courts... |
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Stinsen
Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 72 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXJ5IHwBLrA
Chord riff @ 00:26 is somewhat famous in the SID world. :D |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quote:Anyway this is offtopic here. So better start a new thread if you want to continue discussing it.
nah. I was just surprised to see the word "allegedly". that's all. |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXJ5IHwBLrA
Chord riff @ 00:26 is somewhat famous in the SID world. :D
ooh! nice find. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2083 |
Indeed,
but Stinsen, if you keep listening to Lionel Richie all night long,
you'll never get rid of your reputation as
Master of Schmaltz ;) |
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Stinsen
Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 72 |
Quote: Indeed,
but Stinsen, if you keep listening to Lionel Richie all night long,
you'll never get rid of your reputation as
Master of Schmaltz ;)
Haha, I think I'm stuck with the Schmaltz forever, Lionel Richie or not... :D |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2854 |
Sooo, for the record...
Quoting Street Tufflisten to koyaanisquatsi by philip glass ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3q7bT0v9IE
it will hit you in the first 1:30 minutes https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/H/Hubbard_Rob/Del.. ?
Quoting Stinsenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXJ5IHwBLrA
Chord riff @ 00:26 is somewhat famous in the SID world. :D
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/T/Tel_Jeroen/Cybe.. ?
(Would be cool to drop actual names rather than oblique insider hints.)
Quoting zendaand a lot more here:
https://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=14&topicid=51116#82720 Ah, i knew there should be an earlier thread about the same topic, but didn't bother to look. =) |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
A couple covers by A Life in Hell that people may not know about:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/J/Julian_Jaymz/Sy..
"Syntax 2011 Invite" covers the Final Boss theme from Sonic 3
https://youtu.be/bc-lK-psNy4
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/J/Julian_Jaymz/Fl..
"Fleshlite (tune 2)" covers "Der Zoo" from the Game Boy game Ottifanten, composed by Stello Doussis.
https://youtu.be/aBGvJ4IsrMk
I'll have to look into his HVSC directory more to see if I can spot any more though. |
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da Blondie
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 6 |
Quote: Quoting LinusRegarding Giana Sisters I am sure it's just a coincidence. That Tangerine Dream arp is a very simple rather typical Berlin School minor line - there are only 12 notes to choose from, after all ;)
Mmmmm sure, but Chris Hülsbeck has made some floaty arpy stuff and said Tangerine Dream are his heroes on Facebook (NOT talking about Giana or anything)... I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and obviously it's far from "a cover" but still, I think there could be something more to it than just total coincidence.
Considering that the Tangerine Dreams track came out 20 years AFTER the Giana Sisters I still think that it's pure coincidence :) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
Quote: A couple covers by A Life in Hell that people may not know about:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/J/Julian_Jaymz/Sy..
"Syntax 2011 Invite" covers the Final Boss theme from Sonic 3
https://youtu.be/bc-lK-psNy4
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/J/Julian_Jaymz/Fl..
"Fleshlite (tune 2)" covers "Der Zoo" from the Game Boy game Ottifanten, composed by Stello Doussis.
https://youtu.be/aBGvJ4IsrMk
I'll have to look into his HVSC directory more to see if I can spot any more though.
very well, both added, keep them coming =) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
Quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXJ5IHwBLrA
Chord riff @ 00:26 is somewhat famous in the SID world. :D
I am probably too dense, but apart first 2 notes, then it's completely different than Cybernoid_II.sid, we can't even call it a cover, maybe took some inspiration. |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 38 |
Quoting da BlondieConsidering that the Tangerine Dreams track came out 20 years AFTER the Giana Sisters I still think that it's pure coincidence :)
LOL OK, I will go hang my head in shame in the corner now! Stupid Spotify said it's from an album "Ultima Thule" from 1971, but that seems to be completely fake news. Some of the later anthologies said "Huckebees gianadream" was recorded in 1981, but I can't find it released before 2008 either... Time to start going through old TD live recordings ;-). |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: I am probably too dense, but apart first 2 notes, then it's completely different than Cybernoid_II.sid, we can't even call it a cover, maybe took some inspiration.
5 notes, that play after those two. But I agree with you. Btw. I was carefuly listening to Richie's song and they didn't use this awesome progression anywhere later. Which is kind of cool ;-) |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 229 |
I read in the comment section of the C64 Title Tune of "Nemesis The Warlock" on youtube, that it allegedly quotes parts of the Soundtrack of "The Long Good Friday" (1980), composed by Francis Monkman, and lo and behold: at 1:35:00ff (remastered Blu-Ray timing), there is indeed a portion (starting at 0:04 in this video snippet) of a very similiar melody as in Nemesis The Warlock. Not only the same notes, but also repeated twice. I wanted to check the OST for the track name, but it sadly is somewhat of a damn rarity.
Ofcourse Rob has added like 99% awesomeness around that bit, but i find it is some interesting trivia. |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
for a very long time i though JCH's "sandra secret land" was original .. as it didn't chart in the UK..
the JT accelorator mix is YES's owner of a lonely heart (the trevor horn era)
It's a case of how clued you are about chart music etc. I notice much love for "DM" in c64 demos.. martins a very nice bloke.
Also a few c64 folk are doing pro audio stuff.. not gonna say who , but synth presets (done by a vibrant) and a cakewalk synth were done by a scener
sure there are plenty more who got into DSP etc. due to the sid chip
Krill : the lazy jones thing was probably originally a re-take on kernkraft 440's zombie nation.. who sampled / discogs would show up who was first i guess
4:48.. IK / bowie .. by mr sid ripper
https://youtu.be/MrRkOkL1rZk?t=295
not ya usual pop music.. but this producer liked c64 arps.. I remember giving him the disk to do it. (he just muted the drums on the sid track + reverb)
https://youtu.be/B7dLGiPla3Q?t=59 |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
pretty sure it's off re-fx .. someone liked martin galway.
hypersports anyone ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZBTurnpplA |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 229 |
Quoting chancer
4:48.. IK / bowie .. by mr sid ripper
https://youtu.be/MrRkOkL1rZk?t=295
not bowie, its written by ryuichi sakamoto.
https://youtu.be/4AS_hGzkoQY |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 284 |
Quoting chancer
Krill : the lazy jones thing was probably originally a re-take on kernkraft 440's zombie nation.. who sampled / discogs would show up who was first i guess
Did you check when Zombie Nation was released? Better check the facts first before posting here. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 456 |
Quote: Also (onto demos now), Sweet Infection by Arise... the first tune by Randall (Hate Bush) I always expected to be original... then later he gave me a CD mix of Polish songs ranging from 70s to early 2010s, one track in particular (I think from late 90s or early 2000s) I immediately caught it's similarities to a particular part of the SID tune. It's titled in Polish of course so I can't remember what it's called. :) He may be able to help you here.
at your service:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEsBrFeB-8s
i'm half sure i submitted the info somewhen somewhere... |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
Quoting Hate Bushat your service:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEsBrFeB-8s
i'm half sure i submitted the info somewhen somewhere...
Fuck, I totally haven't recognized that ever :O |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
I don't hear any correlation between Sweet Infection and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEsBrFeB-8s
it's really a cover of it? |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
Quoting FredQuoting chancer
Krill : the lazy jones thing was probably originally a re-take on kernkraft 440's zombie nation.. who sampled / discogs would show up who was first i guess
Did you check when Zombie Nation was released? Better check the facts first before posting here.
don't get ya pocket protector in a twist.. notice i said "probably" .. keep being a pedant ;-) |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 174 |
I don't think it even pretends to be original, but STIL information is missing for this remix of Crockett's Theme:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Sequencer/Crckt..
Recognisable cover part doesn't start until 1:07 or so. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
Quote: I don't think it even pretends to be original, but STIL information is missing for this remix of Crockett's Theme:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Sequencer/Crckt..
Recognisable cover part doesn't start until 1:07 or so.
Valid, added. It surely means nobody played the tune that much to notice it ;) |
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Toggle
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 32 |
Probably coincidental but parts of GRG's "Lazy Bytes" (which is one of my X'2018 faves) remind me of the verses in this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqiH0ZSkM9I
James Bay - Hold Back The River |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: I don't hear any correlation between Sweet Infection and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEsBrFeB-8s
it's really a cover of it?
I wouldn't say it's a cover at all. Not even remix. It's a cypher, at best ;-) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1724 |
I think I saw this in an earlier thread on the subject: Ed Starink vs Jeroen Tel : Syndrome |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 456 |
Quote: I don't hear any correlation between Sweet Infection and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEsBrFeB-8s
it's really a cover of it?
you have to be extremely patient, it kicks in at 2:53 ;) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Ok, I see what you mean. |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
a track i made. sampled loop:
Hip-Hop_Loop_1.sid
credits:
Big Pun & Milano - Where Ya At (Remix)
Produced by DJ Premier, released back in 2000. |
