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Jammer
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First arpeggio effect
as in the topic - what is the first sid tune using the infamous quick arpeggio? :P i suspect that hubbard wasn't the first to be credited with. |
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CreaMD
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Interesting question. I'm also curious ;-) |
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Jammer
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arpeggioes based on whole octave also count ;) |
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Oswald
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I find this Q just as interesting as who have invented the first scroller. too trivial. |
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Jammer
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this is composers' hangout so stfu :P |
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goto80
Registered: Jan 2002
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yes yes! interesting topic!
related to it: nice computer arpeggios that were made between 1967-1970. --> http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/datasaab/musik-eng.html
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Jammer
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WOW! pretty stuff, brilliant finding :D but now, let's stick to sid repertoir ;) |
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The Phantom
Registered: Jan 2004
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Jon Dunn or perhaps Martin Galway?
This is indeed a fantastic question!!
/me wonders if this question is specific to the c64, or should I just back out now? |
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McMeatLoaf
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Some songs from 1984 in /MUSICIANS/L/Landwehr_Bob use arpeggios. |
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Jammer
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yeah, 'break street'! what is more, this one sounds like 2x multispeed! apart from that it sounds very advanced for its year: attemps at clap sound etc. 'pass demo 2' has typical arpeggio and sounds very advanced as well :D great shot mcmeatloaf! |
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G-Fellow
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I´am curious if the tune in the second part is double or more speed tune!? Would be amazing for 1988... I don´t know also who made this tune? It´s the part that is there as picture....
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Jammer
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Quote: I´am curious if the tune in the second part is double or more speed tune!? Would be amazing for 1988... I don´t know also who made this tune? It´s the part that is there as picture....
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well, double speed in 1988 wasn't anything new ;) check out crowther's zig-zag from 1987 - it's even 4x ;) |
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McMeatLoaf
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Quote: I´am curious if the tune in the second part is double or more speed tune!? Would be amazing for 1988... I don´t know also who made this tune? It´s the part that is there as picture....
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G-Fellow: /MUSICIANS/C/Crowther_Antony/Centurions_Power_X_Treme.sid
4x, I think. |
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McMeatLoaf
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Jammer: BTW, did Michael Winterberg do anything over 2x? |
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Jammer
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don't remember, gotta listen to him. |
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Oswald
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Quote: this is composers' hangout so stfu :P
thats my opinion like it or not. but keep yelling ugly words at me maybe they will stop me express it :) |
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Jammer
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Quote: thats my opinion like it or not. but keep yelling ugly words at me maybe they will stop me express it :)
hope you didn't take it too seriously :P treat it as an encouragement to contribute strictly to the topic ;) |
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TNT
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Quote: well, double speed in 1988 wasn't anything new ;) check out crowther's zig-zag from 1987 - it's even 4x ;)
Starquake is 4x too IIRC, and it's from 1985 according to GB64. |
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Jammer
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Quote: Starquake is 4x too IIRC, and it's from 1985 according to GB64.
honestly, it doesn't sound like a multi :| |
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SIDWAVE
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starquake is 1x
the first arpeggio is a hard question
1986-the first 2x tune is by michael winterberg
1987-rainbow dragon by wally beben, calls 2 times the same play
1987-the first even spaced 2x tune is zig zag by antony crowther
1987-the first sample is by galway (realtime generated)
1987-the first sample is by hulsbeck (play from memory)
1987-the first 2chn sample is by banana/tek
1988-the first 3chn sample is from babana/tek
1 tune in wizball is 2x..
ofcourse, playing samples only was done before those.
space taxi, impossible mission, beach head....
rhytm king, drumprogram, is 2 chn...
funky drummer is 1 chn
microvocal/microlatin etc. is 1 chn
(all 3, samples only)
the first arpeggio ?
its a job to investigate :)
the first i heard was galway/kong strikes back,
but landwehr is 84, and we have to see if anyone did it before.. |
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McMeatLoaf
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BTW, look at /GAMES/S-Z/Soldier_One.sid (Unknown author, but perhaps by Lars Hård? It´s from 1986)
Isn't the PWM there something like 10x (#13 at over 15x AFAIK. Listen to the part beginning at around 1:30)?
The rest is maybe single-speed.
(A text output from sid2midi showed the pulse width sometimes being changed in single steps, e.g. from 1024-1025-1026 and so on instead of something like 2048-2064-2080, but it seems to change fast enough to be audible as a sweep.)
/GAMES/S-Z/Tolteka.sid
Dunno the rate here, maybe 4x?
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
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stuff by bob landwehr is really something soundwise, i'm quite amazed.
btw. hvsc/stil dudes: 'reelin in the years' is by steely dan, off their debut lp ;) |
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SIDWAVE
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Quote: BTW, look at /GAMES/S-Z/Soldier_One.sid (Unknown author, but perhaps by Lars Hård? It´s from 1986)
Isn't the PWM there something like 10x (#13 at over 15x AFAIK. Listen to the part beginning at around 1:30)?
The rest is maybe single-speed.
(A text output from sid2midi showed the pulse width sometimes being changed in single steps, e.g. from 1024-1025-1026 and so on instead of something like 2048-2064-2080, but it seems to change fast enough to be audible as a sweep.)
/GAMES/S-Z/Tolteka.sid
Dunno the rate here, maybe 4x?
Wahaha,
Soldier one: it clearly sounds, as a not static square, with a +1 speed. perhaps the player is just missing a static pulse routine, so he makes as slow as possible, to make the square sound.
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TNT
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Quoting rambonesstarquake is 1x
Check the init routine, it sets CIA timer to 4x. |
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Jammer
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Quote: Quoting rambonesstarquake is 1x
Check the init routine, it sets CIA timer to 4x.
well, music definitely doesn't sound like 4x. perhaps init routine handles not only music ;) |
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Soren
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to spice up this thread I guess it could be just as interesting to know who first used volume above 0 for sid tunes.... ;-P |
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SIDWAVE
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Quote: well, music definitely doesn't sound like 4x. perhaps init routine handles not only music ;)
Hmmm ok then, but Starquake is not called with 2 different play routines. it only sets 4x on the cia, but does not use spaced interval jsr play - so this is not 'real' multispeed if you ask me.
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Jammer
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Quote: Hmmm ok then, but Starquake is not called with 2 different play routines. it only sets 4x on the cia, but does not use spaced interval jsr play - so this is not 'real' multispeed if you ask me.
shouldn't you have quoted tnt? ;) |
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SIDWAVE
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I quoted the correct one, but the quote inside the quote, does not come with it... |
