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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
a plea from an old schooler
please dont use modified PAL emulating screenshots for pictures on this site.
people may want to use this site to download unmodified c64 art in gif or png format with pure pixel definition.
if they want to see the stuff in highly debatable pal emulation mode people can download the PRG files and view them in that mode on an emulator.
Thanks
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224 |
"well in all honesty i think the pepto palette is complete cobblers.
no 64 palette i ever used has such dark and muted colours as what i see when i load a koala image into your app with that palette."
I have to disagree, for what I remember using the real c64 from 1986 up until 2003 (and then gradually changed to pc) with the 1084s monitor (with no tuning on the hue/saturation/contrast) the Pepto-palette is the closest thing to the real deal. In the old days I used the Amiga to try out animations and so forth in Deluxe Paint and I made a palette similar to the Pepto-palette.
As for the PAL emulation, I have to agree. It's easier if one can count the pixels and look at it as "clean" as possible. |
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null
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
Quote:Also. If you'd like to infer that I'm retarded please come visit me to do so. I take offence to such talk on forums ;)
Oh noes, someone is offended on the internet. Call the whambulance.
Actually, now that I think of it, I'm sure this whole screenshot debacle has gone by before, where it was pleaded everyone uploaded PAL emulated screenshots. To me, it doesn't matter. I'd say, if you upload a release, then post the screenshot however you want. I personally use PAL emulation screenshots because they seem to come a hell of a lot closer to the real thing than without PAL emulation enabled. I think it was said that it doesn't, but I personally don't agree with that. Opinions, assholes, etc.
Why in gods name you'd want no PAL emulation to begin with goes over my head, because if you're not capable of seeing individual pixels on your modern PC, you may want to get your eyesight checked. In fact, even on my old 80s Philips monitor I can see the individual pixels. Maybe not as well as on any modern flatscreen, but.. yeah.
Anyway, this whole discussion is fucking pointless. The main message seems to be "Waah, I want everyone to conform to my screenshot standards", even though the majority of users here seems to be fine with how it is now. Hell, I'll bet some of them aren't, but just download the files and check them in an emulator set up in the exact way they want, or even on a real machine.
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: Quote:Also. If you'd like to infer that I'm retarded please come visit me to do so. I take offence to such talk on forums ;)
Oh noes, someone is offended on the internet. Call the whambulance.
Actually, now that I think of it, I'm sure this whole screenshot debacle has gone by before, where it was pleaded everyone uploaded PAL emulated screenshots. To me, it doesn't matter. I'd say, if you upload a release, then post the screenshot however you want. I personally use PAL emulation screenshots because they seem to come a hell of a lot closer to the real thing than without PAL emulation enabled. I think it was said that it doesn't, but I personally don't agree with that. Opinions, assholes, etc.
Why in gods name you'd want no PAL emulation to begin with goes over my head, because if you're not capable of seeing individual pixels on your modern PC, you may want to get your eyesight checked. In fact, even on my old 80s Philips monitor I can see the individual pixels. Maybe not as well as on any modern flatscreen, but.. yeah.
Anyway, this whole discussion is fucking pointless. The main message seems to be "Waah, I want everyone to conform to my screenshot standards", even though the majority of users here seems to be fine with how it is now. Hell, I'll bet some of them aren't, but just download the files and check them in an emulator set up in the exact way they want, or even on a real machine.
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Well, we all better do what you decide then eh? Only in that mess you seem to change your mind every other paragraph..
Once again you're missing the whole point to go off on a rant about how you don't care and how we should all want PAL emulation..
We've not asked for it to be LAW that no pal emulation is used, that's just what you read into it (fair enough Ste's original post was a bit ambiguous but it was soon explained) yet those not agreeing don't see the other side of it, instead you cloud it all with which palette is the right one etc.
If you didn't notice it was already agreed it was a decent idea to be able to upload two version, why you have to keep on and on about it now I don't know.
Pete
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3137 |
I don't even see why this all was started in first place, most of the screenshots are taken from Vice (or CCS) with no PAL emulation active. Where did STE see a PAL screenshot? |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
I believe someone was replacing Ste's recently uploaded versions of his images with ones from c64pixels.com. He thinks they looked like they had PAL filtering/emulation on, not totally sure but were different enough to what he'd just updated to make him think so (hard to tell on smaller images). That triggered off what was basically a request not to fiddle with existing files, especially to add PAL emulation to stuff when the uploader didn't apply it.
Like I said in my previous post, the orignal plea was somewhat ambiguous but within a couple of posts I think a solution to all the problems was found. Really didn't need to go on as long as it has...
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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
the small pics at c64pixels.com have definitely no active pal emulation. all recently added ones are even png graphics, so no jpeg artefacts or such things.
please do not spread rumours. |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
Who cares about screenshots?!
It is just a preview.
Run the file on c64 to see how does it really look like. |
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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
cresh: agree. csdb is no pixeljoint. |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 933 |
It was me who modified the screen dumps, I really thought they were so horrible ugly and replaced them with
the standard VICE ones.
The VICE screen dump is practically standard here.
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
And CBA is right in going that way. A quick and dirty screenshot with VICE is just fine - no matter what VIC emulation is set. We should merely discuss _WHAT_ people capture sometimes.
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