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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1725 |
Which assemblers do you/did you use for coding?
I thought this might be interesting.
I'll start:
I started out with Hesmon, and later switched to Handics VICMON.
Never did anything major in this. Just learnt how stuff was working.
Later I bought a copy Oasis Machine Lightning (which was bought up by Ocean and turned into Laser Genious)
I used Machine Lightning for all demos I did in the 80's. Cost a shitload of money.
It's line oriented (like basic) which sucks a bit, but has very good macro facilities.
I had a quick stint with Macrofire V1.0 but thought it was cryptic.
I started using dasm as soon as I got an Amiga.
Kept on using dasm when I switched to a linux system.
I have recently started using Kick Assembler 2.12 in combination with dasm and make (under linux). |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 332 |
I am using my own, homebrewn Assembler.
<insert marketing term for object-orientated assembly here>
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
I can't remember if I posted here before (Just got up out of bed, heheheh). I used various assemblers. First it was the Action Replay M/C cartridge (Well, originally used it for hacking in the late 1990's to learn one or two things). Then I moved on to the Turbo Assembler V5.2 (The runnable version with instructions, all done by TAT). I used to code stuff on a real C64. Actually I still do now and then, but most of the time I do cross-assembly.
The cross-assemblers that I use most of the time are DASM (For my Sub Hunter Project) and also the ACME cross assembler. But ACME is the one I mostly use. Mainly because it is much easier to handle. I tried SLANG before, but did not really get round to it much.
Apart from the command prompt ACME cross assembler, I use the Relaunch 64 to type the code. Else I would have had to use the Notepad, which is not really recommended because text size is limited. Especially when you try and time a long stream of code for certain projects.
DASM is very handy for splitting your source code into different files, and ACME probably can do that as well, all required would be some kind of 'include' command, so that you could merge various code together if you wanted to make 3 separate routines. For example, writing a game. You'd want to make 3 separate source files to do the following:
- Title/Intro screen (The thing before you start the game)
- Main Game itself (Yep, you guessed it)
- End sequence (If you wanted to do a really good end sequence then this would be the right place to do it)
I better stop babbling on as I'm probably boring you to death now :D
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Started out with TASS in the RR ROM, nowadays I'm using ca65 and SounDemoN's TAR. |
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j0x
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215 |
I started out using various RAM-based monitors, then the built-in Final Cartridge II monitor.
[Edit: Come to think of it, I actually started out using the built-in monitor of the C16, before buying a C64.]
Some time in 1988 I got my first assembler from Shownuff of Razor Express. It was based on the BASIC line editor, but I don't remember the name. I didn't use it for long.
At some point, I changed to Turbo Assembler, which I used until I sold my C64 in about 1990.
Since coming back to the C64, I've been using a slightly modified version of (an old version of) dasm together with emacs for source editing.
tlr: how do you combine the use of kick assembler and dasm? |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1725 |
@j0x: I combine them mainly to easy the transition in to kick-ass.
I have split the code into a runtime binary and one binary for each part.
(to allow the parts overloading each other and still use common code from the runtime)
The runtime and most of the parts are in dasm, some parts are in kick-ass.
I "export" entry points from each binary by parsing the symbol table with a perl script that builds an include file with constants.
All of this is done transparantly from make.
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Wisdom
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90 |
Interesting topic for sure, it is always nice to learn how others work and what kind of environment they have.
I started out with 64MON on casette in 1988, and sometime later switched to a better monitor that I cannot remember the name of right now. (It had a brown background and yellow foreground by default, very fancy colors to work with, eh). After two years of working like that I finally bought a drive. Only after 1992 I have owned an AR3 and started using its monitor. After spoiling my life with monitors for five years, in 1993 I started using TASS (v5.2 and v5.4b). That easily doubled my productivity during the years 1993-1995. In 1995 I started using Cross Ass 5.34 with a two C64 setup.
Today I use 64TASS 1.45 on PC or TMP 1.2 on a C64 with the same old AR3, plus an MMC64. I use SciTE on PC for text editing, with a self-prepared syntax file. I pay attention not to use any 64TASS or TMP specific feature to keep portability between these two programs as I tend to work both on PC and C64 arbitrarily.
Throughout the years, I used various environments for code generation or concept testing; CBM BASIC, Simon's BASIC, GW-BASIC and Turbo Pascal in late 80s and early 90s, and pure Assembly after 1993 or so.
Ok ok, I could make this shorter but I do not have time for that now. ;-) (We all love Blaise, don't we?)
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
monitors:
started with monitor present in black box 4 and final 2 cartridges, nowadays I use Vice's monitor
assemblers:
I used to use c64asm (but there are some serious bugs never resolved by author), then 64tasm by Taboo, then modifications by Soci, and finally I use DASM 2.20 with mods by Ian Coog
and about editors...
I used relaunch64 but I found it unstable under win98 (back in the days I used in on day-to-day basis ;p. There was/is problem with system resources management in R64 I suppose)
I also had chance with contex - not bad editor, but I mainly use textpad 4 as I found its macro capabilities and extended text editing functionality very useful, besides syntax highlighting of course :) |
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Wisdom
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90 |
Ah, C64ASM, I forgot to mention that one! It is the thing to blame for my lame 2 blockers entry back in 1996, as it assembled ZP instructions as absolute ones (i.e. LDA $02 -> LDA $0002). For a 512 byte compo, this was rather ironic so I got frustrated and entered the compo just like that with an unfinished entry. Not so surprised to be the last though. :-) |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
moreover c64asm treats * differently than assemblers referred as standard , if I remeber correctly addy taken as * is actually PC+1 :) I remeber being so angry being unable to assemble exomizer properly with c64asm and it compiled ok with DASM out of the box....
www.vulture.c64.org |
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AüMTRöN
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 42 |
Monitors: Aside from poking memory, I firstly attempted M/C in a monitor called "Zoom". I have no idea where it comes from. It had several different flavours for loading to $8000, $c000 and so. Then I settled on the monitor in Action Replay, which is still my fav today - tho VICE monitor is handy for some stuff.
Assemblers: Tried Mikro Assembler and some version of Turbo Assembler back in the day, but to be honest I didn't get it. :) Now I use TASM 7.4 natively and DASM 2.20x (Ian Coog mods) with Ultraedit for crossdev. |
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