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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1725 |
Which assemblers do you/did you use for coding?
I thought this might be interesting.
I'll start:
I started out with Hesmon, and later switched to Handics VICMON.
Never did anything major in this. Just learnt how stuff was working.
Later I bought a copy Oasis Machine Lightning (which was bought up by Ocean and turned into Laser Genious)
I used Machine Lightning for all demos I did in the 80's. Cost a shitload of money.
It's line oriented (like basic) which sucks a bit, but has very good macro facilities.
I had a quick stint with Macrofire V1.0 but thought it was cryptic.
I started using dasm as soon as I got an Amiga.
Kept on using dasm when I switched to a linux system.
I have recently started using Kick Assembler 2.12 in combination with dasm and make (under linux). |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1381 |
I'm sure there's a newer version of this thread somewhere in which I talk about using xa for small projects, ca65 for bigger ones, but in any case I've pretty much transitioned to ca65 now. New projects just start with duplicating some boilerplate, so I don't have to worry about the setup cost anymore.
That said, BitPickler 1.0.0 internally uses a 'just the features I needed for this project' assembler library I cobbled together in Rust, to avoid any external dependencies or assembler version compatibility issues.
As for editors, still primarily Vim, though there's a promising 6502 plugin for JetBrains things that might see me changing over, especially if I get around to submitting a patch for unintendeds and a couple of misconfigured addressing modes. |
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Starfox
Registered: Jul 2014
Posts: 32 |
Quote: In the past year or so, I've become a fan of cross assemblers under Linux because of their speed, but also because for any nontrivial project, I'm writing C code as some sort of tool or emulator instrumentation anyway.
In the beginning though, a Fastload cartridge and a notebook of paper all the way. :-)
I used to code on paper first too :) My grandma once saw me scribbling down some mc and thought it looked like I was communicating with aliens 😂
A good cartridge is very hand, indeed!
DeMOSic: I tried using 64TASS + notepad yesterday. No automation, just to test it out. I kind of like the barebones nature of such a setup, although I also use notepad++, sublime text normally together with kickass (which I only utilize 1% probably, lol).
Fungus: I find kickass's smart features too complex. I don't use macros, although they would probably make things easier. I have some speedcode for an effect that takes up 17kb, I wrote it all by hand in CBM PRG Studio. Switched to kickass, since CBM PRG Studio started having trouble with the length on the source code for that effect for some reason (I recall mentioning it to Arthur, who probably fixed it).
ChristopherJam: Interesting! I'm might check some of that out. I like, but am not a master of, Vim.
On another note: I often find the syntax highlighting in say, Sublime text or VSCode, to be rather incomplete. It will highlight some values in a color, but not others, some directivesm but not others. Sometimes I like just black text on a white background, and use notepad or something. What do you guys use for highlightning? |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 645 |
I recently added Python inline and include code and data generation to ACME: https://github.com/martinpiper/ACME/blob/master/TestPython.a#L35 |
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Youth
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 41 |
Last time I made something (Staying Alive), I used c64jasm, a cross-assembler made in Javascript. I do *not* recommend this; what I like about it is that it is pretty bare bones and is extensible using javascript, but it is not being actively maintained and has quirks.
I spent as much time developing plugins, tweaking my dev environment and making supporting tooling as I did writing assembler code, but I enjoyed that as well because it allowed me to procrastinate from writing assembler and still tell myself I was working on the project :)
I like that my project is all one javascript project, with only NodeJS as a dependency. Would I use it again? Probably. Would I recommend it? No, mostly because it is not being maintained so the quirks won't go away.
The code is at https://github.com/micheldebree/stayingalive |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3137 |
> The code is at https://github.com/micheldebree/stayingalive
no it's not, 404 =) |
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Youth
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 41 |
Quote: > The code is at https://github.com/micheldebree/stayingalive
no it's not, 404 =)
Sorry apparently it was set to private. Should be visible now. |
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oziphantom
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 480 |
Native
6510+
DoubleAss
Cross
X816
64tass |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1629 |
Quote: Native
6510+
DoubleAss
Cross
X816
64tass
I didn't think persons existed who had (a) coded natively on the C64, but who (b) did not use Turbo Assembler for at least some of that coding. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1725 |
Quoting FranticI didn't think persons existed who had (a) coded natively on the C64, but who (b) did not use Turbo Assembler for at least some of that coding.
I never used Turbo Assembler natively. I used Machine Lightning, and later Laser Genius (which is the same thing).
It was very expensive.
EDIT: apparently I wrote that in this very thread when I started it in 2007. :) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1629 |
Quote: Quoting FranticI didn't think persons existed who had (a) coded natively on the C64, but who (b) did not use Turbo Assembler for at least some of that coding.
I never used Turbo Assembler natively. I used Machine Lightning, and later Laser Genius (which is the same thing).
It was very expensive.
EDIT: apparently I wrote that in this very thread when I started it in 2007. :)
The older and more senile we will get, the more the discussions will run in circles. |
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