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2009-06-01 13:36
Akira

Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 52
Cloanto selling demoscene productions...

What's the deal with a package like this?:
http://www.c64forever.com

"More than 200 preinstalled games and demoscene productions"

I don' think they are allowed to sell demoscene productions, are they? Or have they cleared it with their authors?
 
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2009-06-01 15:08
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289
i guess, we should assume that cloanto charges only for the shipping and user interface. the c64 content is not involved in the price ;)
2009-06-01 15:08
hollowman

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474
Quoting Akira K

how did the mindcandy DVDs handle it?

By asking all authors for permission.
2009-06-01 15:09
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933
I'm not sure how licence/copyleft stuff works in this case, Cloanto is asking money for the package, but they provide alternatives, links to this db etc.
2009-06-02 02:43
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 465
Person should have contacted the copyright owners. Surely the C64 productions could have been distributed in a way that doesn't require payment instead of putting them in to the package. That way it can be sure the payment is only for the software they make/licenced and sell.

Even if they could't get permission at least make it obvious they are trying to.
2009-06-02 06:23
HCL

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 716
I dunno, this is as st0pid as selling CDs with music or such stuff. It's already there and it's free. ..but then, you can't really help people from bying stuff that is already free.
2009-06-02 10:24
taper

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 119
I just want to inform you that Cloanto did ask TRIAD for permission to include some of our demos in the package. We gave them that permission. Ofcourse, I can't speak for anyone else, but probably they asked others too.

There is no legal way to stop it as we see it, but we appreciate that they indeed did ask. As long as our demos and productions are available for free and easily accessible on the net, we don't mind if it's included in some package sold by Cloanto aswell.
2009-06-02 16:36
jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576
Actually they asked me for permission to include Booze releases (they most likely don't know me too well, otherwise they'd know that asking me for something is a bad idea by default).
Anyway. I was probably too busy or too drunk, as my reply was along the lines of hypnotic wonder and a nihilistic yield to the fate of drowning into commercialism. Consequently, I forgot to forward the email to HCL and Dane. Sorry dudes, my bad.

Btw. I sometimes use a torrented version of Amiga Forever and I must say I like it quite a lot. Saved me from hours of config tweaking. I'm seriously thinking of buying it.
2009-06-02 17:23
Archmage

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 185
When they did the Amiga Forever thingy, they asked us (Andromeda) if they could include Nexus 7. We agreed, but we had them modify the contract and give each of us a copy of the final product. That's a fair trade I think.
2009-06-02 18:11
Ninja

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 404
Is there a list of the included demos somewhere?
2009-06-02 19:32
MaD ][

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 23
Quote: Is there a list of the included demos somewhere?

just put a fast listing online, please ask Cloanto for final product official list.

http://rapidshare.com/files/240095513/listing.txt.html
(those file are included with C64Forever beta version)

=) hope that helps!
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