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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 491 |
An update on ‘Pixel art in the C64 demoscene’
Dear fellow sceners,
In response to the comments we received, we’ve made some changes to the document.
Our goal was always to find common ground to maintain the fun and integrity of our hobby.
What this is not:
- It’s not written to limit anyone (only to encourage openness)
- It’s not aimed at specific individuals (it’s a scene wide practice)
Read the document here
We’d really love to hear your thoughts on this update.
Please post them in this thread, be kind and keep it constructive and on-topic please. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
Just in general I don't think that citing copyright law is the best be-all end-all for arguments concerning the rights of creators. I think that may be what GPZ was getting at. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Copyright law hasn't been about the artists in a long time (or forever?) anyway.
That's why I start with attribution and acknowledgement and that's why I say that the explaining paragraph is lazily pasted from chatGPT. I didn't want to skew and manipulate it to prove my point just to solely talk about chivalry of respecting of other authors, but I think that is obvious. Btw. (and I promise this is the last time I'm mentioning it).
Look at this:
Artist Credits:
Design: Ian MacDonald, Tom Jilesen, Zac Roane
Sculpt: Igor Catto, Steve Lord
Mold and Cast: Adam Smith
Paint: Chie Izuma, Holly Knevelbaard
Cut and Sew: Tim Hanson
The Sideshow Design and Development Team
This is complete credits for the thing that on our plattformu has just one TAG stamped on top right corner of the image.
Where one (original) author goes lenghts to give respect to everyone who was directly or even indirectly involved in creation of his sculpture, the other author of derivative work just ignores it completely. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
I see, I got the sense that copyright law wasn't relevant to your point anyway. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
But this is about giving credit (which was always regarded high in the scene) not copyright (which does not exist in the scene) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Don't give me this nonsense that people are no more pirating all over the place.
(There never was a problem with SMB64, that supposed C&D some Website claimed to have seen never existed, that was plain old attentionwhoring. The original links on Lemon are still there and work.)
Where on CSDB can I download it? And I don't say you aren't right, there is pirating all over place, but nobody goes around recracking, stealing other's work etc. We are past that I think. We even have some period when downloads aren't available for cracks. I don't want to kill too many kittens, but obviously something has changed during the past 20 years. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 118 |
Quote:But this is about giving credit (which was always regarded high in the scene) not copyright (which does not exist in the scene)
Right. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: But this is about giving credit (which was always regarded high in the scene) not copyright (which does not exist in the scene)
Exactly. Attribution and acknowledgement. A.k.a. giving credit where credit is due. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
Quote: Where on CSDB can I download it? And I don't say you aren't right, there is pirating all over place, but nobody goes around recracking, stealing other's work etc. We are past that I think. We even have some period when downloads aren't available for cracks. I don't want to kill too many kittens, but obviously something has changed during the past 20 years.
We've started respecting creators, regardless of copyright law I think. The SMB64 takedown may be more cautionary rather than value-based though, since Nintendo is very infamous for being stingy over its IP. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
Quote:Where on CSDB can I download it?
Strawman. Also it'd be no problem - as said, original links still work fine.
Quote:but nobody goes around recracking, stealing other's work etc. We are past that I think. We even have some period when downloads aren't available for cracks. I don't want to kill too many kittens, but obviously something has changed during the past 20 years.
None if this is related to copyright law. And there ARE other easily accessable places (even websites) where you can download every single new crack, no problem. csdb is NOT the scene. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 118 |
Quote: We've started respecting creators, regardless of copyright law I think
And that’s a great achievement! Let’s cherish that and expand on it further. |
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