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2002-11-27 18:50

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619

Domination #17 - Shit news - Here's the proper story!

What's the big idea posting shit about Excess and me as an Excess member? I'm not an Excess member. We know who the culprit is posting shit about Excess, when it wasn't Excess' fault but mine.

I admit that I passed my game 'Bomb Chase' to St0rmfr0nt/Excess via Email, because Urine (or should I say Onslaught) had first released a beta-version of this game which weren't meant to be spread. Later on, St0rmfr0nt/Excess firstreleased a properly trained version of this game (Which loads of people enjoyed) and added to the releasenote about Urine's version of the game being beta.

A day later St0rmfr0nt Emailed me asking me why I did a fake Excess release of Bomb Chase, and that I wasn't a member or Excess (Nor shall I be because I'm in 2 groups already). I told St0rmfr0nt the truth and told him that there's a lamer somewhere who probably thought it would be funny to do a fake Excess release.

I was really pissed off and we were suspicious that Jazzcat could have been behind the prank, after the Urine release had proved to be some fake. Urine tried to re-release the proper version of Bomb Chase but failed, because I asked all FTP owners to remove the release, as I had a feeling that Urine was really going to piss hard on my work.

I come up with a cunning plan (not so clever) which was create a FAKE ONSLAUGHT firstrelease of the same game. I also uploaded a few versions of Bomb Chase (Not Excess ones though, but TND. One with TND intro with a message attacking Onslaught, and another with no intro). I also uploaded a note to remove the fakes and just keep the genuine TND (intro-less) version of my game, and also the PROPER 'Excess' version of the game.

And (pant, pant) that's how the story goes. I am NOT (i repeat) NOT and Excess member, but a regular friendly contact with Excess. But from now on, I think I should let other groups try first releases of my work - for competition, no matter what. The Urine of Bomb Chase must have been some sort of joke. That game was too good to be lame - or was it to do with the graphics I prepared using Jon's the Multi-Screen Construction Kit?

If anyone adds to any news any more crap about either TND or Excess. We will be sure to bite back. Just wait and see.

I apologise for the grief I have cause concerning the uploading of the FTP's, but now....I think we are owed an apology!

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2003-01-05 16:23

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: Hello.

I feel this happens a lot in the NTSC scene; We're far too polite when it comes to new NTSC releases, because they are scarce lately.

We want to encourage further artistic innovation for our CBM's in the NTSC scene and thus, refrain from such criticism.

I do find the PAL scene more refreshing; They do criticize and demand better work. But will the PAL scene change if releases become a lot more scarcer like it has here in NTSC-land?

Either way, I have a thick skin. I've released some stuff and some people said my efforts weren't good. I just take it as constructive criticism and strive to be better.

Enjoy! :)
-Todd Elliott

Yes, Todd, there is much truth in that what you say.
Anyway, I like the NTSC scene a lot, too!

I hope there will come some fresh wind and new stuff there in NTSC demo scene, too!

All the best!
Bye!
Joerg

2003-01-05 21:48

Puterman
Account closed

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188

I like the NTSC scene too, 2 really lame 1-part demos released in 2002, wow!

2003-01-05 22:17

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: I like the NTSC scene too, 2 really lame 1-part demos released in 2002, wow!

But anyway, there is something released and it's not for everybody lame!

All the best!
Bye!
Joerg

2003-01-05 22:39

cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1154

While things are subjective, this is just the argument I won't be defending: that "something released" is enough and we should somehow be content with that.

We should demand productions that surpass or at least equal the best works of the past; I am not an expert on demos so I will refrain comment but for games, to be honest, only Enhanced Newcomer has been a *truly* worthy release in the past few years (yes, this includes the quite shitty, as I think of it now, MW trilogy, for which no-one has written a honest review so far, that would also question its value and expose its numerous flaws)

2003-01-05 22:47

Commander
Account closed

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 106

There is a difference between giving critics and making somebody ashame/attacking somebody (saying that he better can't release anything than something)... If some people doesn't learn to give critics instead of trying to tell only shit about someone, then this scene will go the same way as it did at the end of 1992. A pitty, all this hostility, but lucky for us : most of the active sceners are more friendly.

You can give critics in two ways :
-You give some critics about what's bad/good and maybe some advise. If that person can't do better, then let it for what it is. Everybody counts!!!!!!
-You can give some critics about what's bad and you say that this person/group better can't release any stuff anymore. (the elite-kind system of the old days which went too far in 1992, it causes the leaving of many sceners)

And I am sure there will be again some attacks on my words... but I don't care because I know that most of us like each other and try to keep the scene one family without talking shit only...
Have a good New Year and try to give critics without hurting someone!

2003-01-05 22:56

cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1154

IMO, if the truth makes someone ashamed, then there's nothing wrong with that. I don't advocate saying "someone shouldn't release any more stuff" but for example, I stand 100% behind my public analyses of Rich's coding skill, which may seem negative or offensive at places

2003-01-05 22:56

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: While things are subjective, this is just the argument I won't be defending: that "something released" is enough and we should somehow be content with that.

We should demand productions that surpass or at least equal the best works of the past; I am not an expert on demos so I will refrain comment but for games, to be honest, only Enhanced Newcomer has been a *truly* worthy release in the past few years (yes, this includes the quite shitty, as I think of it now, MW trilogy, for which no-one has written a honest review so far, that would also question its value and expose its numerous flaws)

Well, you just have also to see the differences between NTSC and PAL scene, do you?!

Well, I like MW triologies, and if we would get appeared with "SWO" erlier, you could have await a honest and fair review. But there is still one part to come! ;)

But we are all just humans among many C64 sceners.

All the best!
Bye!
Joerg

2003-01-05 23:01

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: There is a difference between giving critics and making somebody ashame/attacking somebody (saying that he better can't release anything than something)... If some people doesn't learn to give critics instead of trying to tell only shit about someone, then this scene will go the same way as it did at the end of 1992. A pitty, all this hostility, but lucky for us : most of the active sceners are more friendly.

You can give critics in two ways :
-You give some critics about what's bad/good and maybe some advise. If that person can't do better, then let it for what it is. Everybody counts!!!!!!
-You can give some critics about what's bad and you say that this person/group better can't release any stuff anymore. (the elite-kind system of the old days which went too far in 1992, it causes the leaving of many sceners)

And I am sure there will be again some attacks on my words... but I don't care because I know that most of us like each other and try to keep the scene one family without talking shit only...
Have a good New Year and try to give critics without hurting someone!

This reminds to the fact that Serge did not like my way of telling critics, first.
But we fixed that. :)

Don't think, charity begins at home. Think also about the feelings that person would get when you write those critics.

Another example:

"Your release XYZ is shit!!!" - "Why?!" - "Because It Is Shit!".

Would such a critic help?!

All the best!
Bye!
Joerg

2003-01-05 23:05

cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1154

Simple, NTSC guys should try to surpass the best past works of the NTSC scene :)

2003-01-05 23:05

CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392

There are things that suck, where you have to be 'very subjective' to like it. But still, it's okay that it's being released. We don't need censorship on stuff just because it sucks like hell :)

about richards games: the *few* (2 or 3 - i'm not so much a game-person) i've tried i think were okay. No extreme coding, but they were fun enough to play, and i guess that was the point.

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