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2002-11-27 18:50

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619

Domination #17 - Shit news - Here's the proper story!

What's the big idea posting shit about Excess and me as an Excess member? I'm not an Excess member. We know who the culprit is posting shit about Excess, when it wasn't Excess' fault but mine.

I admit that I passed my game 'Bomb Chase' to St0rmfr0nt/Excess via Email, because Urine (or should I say Onslaught) had first released a beta-version of this game which weren't meant to be spread. Later on, St0rmfr0nt/Excess firstreleased a properly trained version of this game (Which loads of people enjoyed) and added to the releasenote about Urine's version of the game being beta.

A day later St0rmfr0nt Emailed me asking me why I did a fake Excess release of Bomb Chase, and that I wasn't a member or Excess (Nor shall I be because I'm in 2 groups already). I told St0rmfr0nt the truth and told him that there's a lamer somewhere who probably thought it would be funny to do a fake Excess release.

I was really pissed off and we were suspicious that Jazzcat could have been behind the prank, after the Urine release had proved to be some fake. Urine tried to re-release the proper version of Bomb Chase but failed, because I asked all FTP owners to remove the release, as I had a feeling that Urine was really going to piss hard on my work.

I come up with a cunning plan (not so clever) which was create a FAKE ONSLAUGHT firstrelease of the same game. I also uploaded a few versions of Bomb Chase (Not Excess ones though, but TND. One with TND intro with a message attacking Onslaught, and another with no intro). I also uploaded a note to remove the fakes and just keep the genuine TND (intro-less) version of my game, and also the PROPER 'Excess' version of the game.

And (pant, pant) that's how the story goes. I am NOT (i repeat) NOT and Excess member, but a regular friendly contact with Excess. But from now on, I think I should let other groups try first releases of my work - for competition, no matter what. The Urine of Bomb Chase must have been some sort of joke. That game was too good to be lame - or was it to do with the graphics I prepared using Jon's the Multi-Screen Construction Kit?

If anyone adds to any news any more crap about either TND or Excess. We will be sure to bite back. Just wait and see.

I apologise for the grief I have cause concerning the uploading of the FTP's, but now....I think we are owed an apology!

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2002-11-28 00:48

Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044

Owe an apology? all the tiny little troubles in the scene always have a common object - RICHARD - if it is SealSex, Urine, Onslaught, Excess or DaLaxatives.
No apologies are given, if there is incorrect news it gets corrected in the following edition.

Regarding game quality, fake lables and releases being 'pissed' on. I cannot say much more than what Slator has said. Except that public domain games have always been pissed on, groups releasing only these type of games should be competing with the lamer lables like Urine.

2002-11-28 01:03

fade
Account closed

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290

Quote:

>I come up with a cunning plan (not so clever) which was create a FAKE ONSLAUGHT firstrelease of the same game.

Natural selection says you should have died many moons ago..

2002-11-28 03:11

Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 465

"Why are people so unkind?", wise man once said that. Lighten up Richard. It's also easy for anyone to stick some other groups intro in front. Atleast you have plenty of passion.

2002-11-28 08:03

taper

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 119

Someone is taking himself far to serious for sure.

We in TRIAD decided to stay as far away as possible from any TND games after all the fuzz with beta's, different versions, bugfixes, 100% versions, originals being uploaded to the firstrelease ftp's and so on. And what about that TND intro, is it the gameintro or is it a crackintro? I have the feeling Onslaught has the same view on this.

I can honestly say I have never seen such a lame mess in the crackingscene for as long as I've been active. The scene has changed a lot over the years, but this takes the price.

...and my opinion still stands, I see no point in releasing freely available PD games if they are not improved in some way. Linking an intro, adding as much as 40 blocks in some cases to the original filesize and not provide any kind of trainers, bugfixes or (obviously) shortening should be punished hard.

By the way, there are still other originals than TND games to obtain these days, occasional new commercial games from Go64!/Commodore Scene/protovision, but also a lot of unreleased titles from the past hidden away in coders and old software houses dusty diskboxes. Just a hint to some.

2002-11-28 08:36

cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1154

Quote: I don't care for any PD games, what is the point to do first releases of games every sucker can download on the internet?
There is no need for that. And if excess believes that is is a good idea to release them then it is ok. That is the main reason for urine stuff (and I don't do them anyway).
I prefer one metal warrior in 3 years than 10 games by richard in 1 week.
I don't say that Richard should stop his game coding, but he should think a bit before writing anything he doesn't have a clue of. Claiming to be the king of the scene because of some small < 100 blocks games is not really what I like on ppl. Not that anyone cares of what I think anyways. The scene like it was in the past is gone for a long time... a "crackerscene" (if you want to call it like that) is just happening in the re-releasing of old games as you need some knowledge and dedication to reach the quality you want for yourself. I nthe past you gained laughter for PD and not points...

regards

<Politically correct police>
Please use the author-neutral term "Turrican" to refer to a side-view alldirectional game. Thank you.
</Politically correct police>

:))))

2002-11-28 17:30

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619

Hang on, you guys just helped me learn my lesson about how the C64 scene should run. I just realised about what I had said yesterday. Duh, what a lamer I am.

There's something I should have listened to, which someone commented here and that is that those people who do fake labels i.e., Da Laxatives (Hang on that was me - I wont bring 'em back), SealSEX, Urine, Secret, etc. Are not actually trying to target my work all the time, but release firsties of several games - for fun. You guys were not trying to be nasty, but fancy a laugh. I'm going to need to stop being cloth ears and I must stop verbally attacking groups who do fake labels of my releases and their comments, as it is meant to be harmless fun.

I think I owe everyone an apology (As you said in the Email Jazzcat - I'm worse than George Bush, and seem to be the biggest lamer of the scene). All this fuss about fake releases and that I should stop. - And all this fuss will stop. It's meant to be harmless fun anyway and you people enjoy it.

Thanks for your advice, and commentry regarding what I said. I think some things I say go too far, and I don't realise that it is something I should have expected with my work.

I like to look at these FTPs to see who has done firstreleases of my work, and check out those intros and how well those people cracked my work.

It goes to show that framing other groups does not help.

A wrap on the knuckles to me, and so sorry for all this grief I caused. I hope you lot will still support me with my work.

Richard!

2002-11-28 17:36

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619

Quote: Someone is taking himself far to serious for sure.

We in TRIAD decided to stay as far away as possible from any TND games after all the fuzz with beta's, different versions, bugfixes, 100% versions, originals being uploaded to the firstrelease ftp's and so on. And what about that TND intro, is it the gameintro or is it a crackintro? I have the feeling Onslaught has the same view on this.

I can honestly say I have never seen such a lame mess in the crackingscene for as long as I've been active. The scene has changed a lot over the years, but this takes the price.

...and my opinion still stands, I see no point in releasing freely available PD games if they are not improved in some way. Linking an intro, adding as much as 40 blocks in some cases to the original filesize and not provide any kind of trainers, bugfixes or (obviously) shortening should be punished hard.

By the way, there are still other originals than TND games to obtain these days, occasional new commercial games from Go64!/Commodore Scene/protovision, but also a lot of unreleased titles from the past hidden away in coders and old software houses dusty diskboxes. Just a hint to some.

These intros are meant to be game intros, but as you said they look like 'crack' intros. This is because they are intros to show my software label. Maybe you would prefer it if I removed those intro screens from my games or not add any intros to these games. If this is the case, then I'll be happy to not use them intros, unless it is a demo, or small tool.

TND is games software label of mine, not cracking group LOL!

2002-11-28 20:03

Slator

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 273

Dear Richard,
just let the intros be what they are meant for, introducing a production. There is nothing wrong in having a TND Intro infront of your own game. It sounds ok to me.

2002-11-28 20:11

cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1154

Yeah, as long as you don't impersonate any cracking group, you're just fine with your TND intros. Personally, if I was you, I'd only upload releases to homepage, and stay clear of the scene FTPs completely. The releases will find their way there one way or another.

2002-11-29 17:35

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619

Okay.